Job's life and the Bible.

The scenario of Battle of God with Satan in whole Chapters of Job is clearly seen as a " Battle between Good and Evil " And it is not an Experiment or even a bit of "like conspiracy" of Good and Evil against Job. Conspiracy is a secret plan by a group ( two group ) to do something unlawful or harmful. The story is not something that has been plotted by both sides or there was a connivance of both. And it is not either an Experiment. The story is not something that to examine the validity of the HYPOTHESIS ( wild guess or theory ). God's Actions according to HIS will is not be an experiment all the time. It always initiated with truth. Because HE is the God of the Truth.

So, in order for us to know the whole truth of the Story of Job, let the Bible explain.

Almost everybody made a mistakes here, that this is a Test to Job by God, no, it is not. Because God already had a conclusion by saying " Have you considered Job my servant?" To God Job is already considered, that " No one on Earth like Him" . Before God will say this conclusion, every man should be put to test first in order to be considered. Like what did God to Abraham through his Angel. Meaning Abraham experienced a lot of test and trials from God, so did with Job. So it means that Before This to Happen ( Chapter 1 and 2 of Job ) we can say that this not the first Battle of Good and Evil. And one of the Battleground is Job.

Now, since that thing is not a TEST anymore, what we should say? God want to Proved to Satan that Job is none like HIM on Earth. He will be proved to Satan that Job will be remain faithful even though God will moved against Job without a cause. That is why He let Satan to do his own actions to Job. He allowed that situation to happen. But limitations comes in at first " not lay on hand with Job " God's action is always the BEST. He knows what he is doing. He is a God of VICTOR! " There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able ; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. " ( 1 Corinthians 10:13 ). If a man failed still God will do more options in order to saved the mankind. Like what He did to Job when Job almost failed. God take over the situation by asking Job by whirlwind and show to Job his Mighty Power. And at the end of the Day Job realized the Will of the Father. He didn't know ( innocence ) what has happening to HIM. All the TROUBLED and EVIL and BAD that the Lord brought upon HIM.

FYI: All Power on Earth is granted by GOD. So everything above and under heaven is in under Control. No worries at all. He is the Almighty GOD!

olive 2: I feel like sometimes when I read some people's bible interpretations there should be a little preface stamped above it: "***This is what Christians actually believe:***"

admin: "***This is what some Christians actually believe:***"

Blackflag: Well if you can put "this is what scientologists actually believe" in front of higher OT level material and that's ok, then I don't see why my original statement can't apply to Christians. Obviously not all would believe it but it's still a part of the wider faith of Christianity.

admin: This is what really true Christians believed in but not with radical religions. Everybody says it is a TEST to Job.

olive 2: I amend my statement then.

***IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THIS THEN YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF A TRUE CHRISTIAN.***

admin: This is what really true Christians believed in but not with radical religions. Everybody says it is a TEST to Job.

admin: Okay, let me clarify your statement first. What " THIS " are you talking about?

olive 2: It's not even that important really. Here is another example of where I would apply it.

***This is what Christians actually believe:***
The problem is that a gay wedding is a celebration of two people who are living a lifestyle that God declares to be immoral and unnatural (Romans 1:26-27). “Marriage should be honored by all” (Hebrews 13:4), but a gay wedding dishonors marriage by perverting its meaning. Unlike weddings of those in other faiths, a gay wedding does not qualify as a marriage, according to what God declares marriage to be. A marriage between a non-Christian man and non-Christian woman is still a marriage in God’s eyes. It is still a fulfillment of the “one flesh” relationship that God intends (Genesis 2:24). Even a marriage between a believer and an unbeliever is a valid marriage (1 Corinthians 7:14), even though God commands believers to avoid such marriages (2 Corinthians 6:14).

A gay union is not a marriage in God’s eyes. God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman for a lifetime; to take that holy and blessed union and link it to something God declares to be unholy is unconscionable. How can we ask God’s blessing on a union that He declares to be unnatural?

Suppose a Christian could attend a gay wedding and somehow communicate clearly that he is supporting only the individuals getting married and not their lifestyle. The individuals he is supporting are still holding an event which celebrates their immorality. There is no way around the fact that a gay wedding ceremony is a celebration of sin. We support an alcoholic friend by helping him refrain from drinking, not by going to a bar with him. We support a friend addicted to pornography by making him accountable and getting him help, not by helping organize his magazine collection or creating more hard drive space on his computer. In the same way, we support a homosexual friend by helping him out of the lifestyle, not by signing a guest book at a celebration of homosexuality. We do not truly help our friends by attending an event where their sin is applauded.

It is admirable to show love to a friend. It is good to seek opportunities to witness to and show kindness and love to our gay friends. However, such motivations are misguided when it comes to attending a gay wedding. It is never our goal to drive our friends away from Christ, but Christians have a responsibility to stand up for righteousness, even if it results in pain, division, or hatred (Luke 12:51-53; John 15:18). If invited to a gay wedding, it is our conviction that a believer in Jesus Christ should respectfully decline.

(Original source: http://www.gotquestions.org/gay-wedding.html )

olive 2: But I suppose your post above there would be another example of where I would put that little warning message of "***This is what Christians actually believe:***"

I am surprise for what I've read of the last post . Anyway, still it is an interesting topic to talk about, because I admired a lot of Gay here in Philippines. And I have a lot of gay friends overseas. But If you allow me to have a separate topic of these one. Another thread will do, right?

If I got a right understanding with your post admin?

olive 2: I think he's gently chiding you for presuming to speak on behalf of the whole of Christendom.
This is because you speak as if there were no alternative interpretation for the subject matter, which there clearly is since I disagree with your interpretation.

I do the same thing, so perhaps from now on, we should make it clear that these statements are only our understanding of the subject matter and are not the definitive explanation?

(Unless I'm totally misunderstanding what admin was saying)

nzlockie: Finally somebody gets it. If a Christian says that the Christian faith involves *controversial/crazy-sounding statement here*, that's ok but it's just another belief.

admin: Scientology is a really small religion compared to Christianity, so I would consider that a false equivalency.

Admin, you are just goading with this true scotsman nonsense, right?

Blackflag: It wasn't me who brought up true Christians, I just said Christians. But true Christians is funnier so I ran with it.

Blackflag: Oh right, so if a religion is small it's ok to fully characterize that religion's beliefs? You seriously think that?

admin: It is less outlandish. A religion (if you can call it that) with less than 50,000 followers can be more easily summarized. This isn't about scientology though. I'm never made the claim there were true scientologists. You need to stop using red herrings when arguing. It isn't okay to bring up something totally irrelevant on the presumption that it may show hypocrisy with one particular person.

Blackflag: My original point of "this is what christians actually believe" is not a red herring. Christians do actually believe what olive 2 wrote in his initial post. And if you consider, say, the story of Xenu a "summarization" of Scientology, then I would consider olive 2's post an "explanation" of Christianity.

admin: It is less outlandish. A religion (if you can call it that) with less than 50,000 followers can be more easily summarized. This isn't about scientology though. I'm never made the claim there were true scientologists. You need to stop using red herrings when arguing. It isn't okay to bring up something totally irrelevant on the presumption that it may show hypocrisy with one particular person.