Militantism vs Pacifism

Pacifism definition- the belief that any violence, including war, is unjustifiable under any circumstances, and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.
Militant definition- combative and aggressive in support of a political or social cause, and typically favoring extreme, violent, or confrontational methods.
What are your views regarding these?

Bi0Hazard: You have asked this question several times in the past.

At this point you have to know everyones views on the subject.

Crow: It may depend on what you mean by "everyone". I don't think I know "everyone's views" on the subject.

Bi0Hazard: Me and admin.

The only consistent members on this site.

Crow: Still doesn't mean it isn't worth posing questions from time to time

Crow: There may be some things I don't know and other members could respond too.

admin: Do you believe violence is ever justified?

Bi0Hazard: Depends what you count as violence. For example I believe prisons should exist.

admin: So,do you believe state violence is justified, but citizen violence isn't?
By violence, I mean physical force by another person or organization of people.

Bi0Hazard: Well, if a train conductor uses physical force to stop somebody walking off a moving train, that would be justified too.

admin: Alright, so it is like anyone else, violence can be justified as long as it is for what you think to be a greater good.

Bi0Hazard: Violence can be justified, in my view, if it is non-destructive. If violence is used to harm somebody, or to harm society, then it's not justified as a moral principle. Notwithstanding that, violence is a natural right.

admin: the belief that any violence, including war, is unjustifiable under any circumstances, and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.

Turn in your pacifist card.

Crow: Sure but if you look at the word violence more carefully, you'll realize it's usually not defined as broadly as any force. Usually you actually have to physically HARM somebody for it to count as violence.

I don't believe people should be allowed to physically harm people. Not even the state.

Crow: Under what circumstances do you believe violence to be justifiable?

admin: Notwithstanding that, violence is a natural right.
What do you mean by this?

Bi0Hazard: War is justified in defense of life and liberty, for oneself and others.

Other forms of violence are justified in self-defense only. Although I do not fault someone for bopping a jackass every once in awhile.

I have stood behind domestic terrorists in the past. Threats to humanity need to be car-bombed.

Bi0Hazard: People can do what they like, unless there is a moral reason etc not to do something.

admin: All violence harms somebody and society.

You systematically throw dissenters to the rule of law in prison, and they become examples for your little stalinist regime.