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By admin | Jul 29 2016 2:34 PM
Welcome to the saturday science thread of the week, where we talk the future, technology, science and more!

Today's topic is based on an article I posted on my profile feed this week. Should people be allowed to engage and pay for robots designed for the purposes of sexual gratification?
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 3:15 PM
admin: Eh hem...

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By admin | Jul 29 2016 3:18 PM
Crow: Wait, this might be my fault. One moment...
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By JoMomma | Jul 29 2016 3:39 PM
admin: People should be allowed to do as their conscience allows them. Should they be encouraged? No, it will lead to a void where physical needs may be met, but an increase in desire for a live and loving human will be the result. They will not be able to connect with a live human should they find one who seems compatible, because they will have numbed themselves from self gratification.
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 3:41 PM
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 3:42 PM
Crow: This isn't really an argument.
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 3:44 PM
JoMomma: Suppose that somebody created a realistic sex doll for the purposes of dismembering it. Would that be problematic to you at all? What if it was in the shape of a child, say? Is there no moral limit you would impose for the benefit of actual humans?
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 3:50 PM
Regulating morality is an evil.

Legislating victimless crimes is an even greater evil.

Sure you could argue that certain harmless actions could lead to evil, but that is kind of like all the cancer fiascos. You know, how there are a million different things you shouldn't do because it might lead to cancer? Somewhat similar.
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 3:52 PM
admin: What if it was in the shape of a child, say?

For all I care, they could be jacking off to child pornography.

When the act is actually committed, then is the time to impose consequences.

Legislating victimless crimes to prevent future harm is a liberal social design. The progression of human society should not be dictated by design.
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 3:55 PM
Crow: As someone who avoids things that are likely to lead to cancer, it's not hard. As long as you read the actual science critically and don't just do something because media has sensationalized it.

So you think pollution is ok because there's no direct victim? Even if in the long term it means our whole planet could be screwed?
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Dassault Papillon
By Dassault Papillon | Jul 29 2016 4:03 PM
I don't think it's practical. Sex programs in the neuro-electronic age are more realistic IMO.
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By Dassault Papillon | Jul 29 2016 4:11 PM
Humanoid robotics (classified either as androids or gynoids) is a very primitive field even in 2016. First of all, it'd be exceedingly difficult to make the robot "feel" like a living breathing person, even if it looked exactly like one. Robots are, obviously, made of different materials than human beings. It'd be like having sex with a anatomically accurate dummy which could move by itself. Speaking of moving, the body movements involved in sexual intercourse are actually fairly complex, and for a robot to be able to mimic these movements in real time is a bit unfeasible. By the time all the kinks were worked out, there'd already be sex programs which interfaced directly with the human brain and nervous system.
Dassault Papillon
By Dassault Papillon | Jul 29 2016 4:15 PM
In short, there's no reason for anybody to go through all that trouble and decades of research and development whenever there's already enough human beings working as prostitues to satisfy the demand for this "service", some of it legally.
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 4:17 PM
admin: As someone who avoids things that are likely to lead to cancer, it's not hard.

Oh really?

Do you avoid the sun? Do you avoid caffeinated beverages? Do you avoid the ocean?Do you avoid all bacteria?

So you think pollution is ok because there's no direct victim? Even if in the long term it means our whole planet could be screwed?


False equivalency.

Pollution does have a direct connection to a victim 100% of the time. Actually tens of billions of victims.

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By Dassault Papillon | Jul 29 2016 4:18 PM
There'll only be demand for these non-human alternatives if they can somehow offer better sex than human prostitutes, and I don't see a humanoid robot being able to do that at any point in the near future.
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 4:21 PM
This reminds me of that movie last year with Bruce Willis, called Vice.

Depending on the person, indulging victimless acts of sexual deviancy can cause regression, escalation, or stagnation.

Denying liberty to even one individual who will not abuse it, is in my mind a great evil.
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 4:22 PM
Crow: Yes. I use sunscreen, don't drink caffeine. The ocean is not a strong carcinogen and neither are all bacteria.

If you agree there can be indirect victims to crimes then I'd question what crimes are actually victimless. Like insider trading for example, potentially hurts thousands of investors, therefore it's a crime, even though the impact is not direct. So too can sexual acts with a robot have indirect victims, right?
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 4:24 PM
Dassault Papillon: They could be used for the practicality of being cheaper and safer.

No risk of STDs, and even though it might cost a lot, it could be a great investment for the active purchaser of sexual services.

All sexual theory is based on control. Even the most realistic robots could never break the fact that they are not actual beings.
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By admin | Jul 29 2016 4:25 PM
Dassault Papillon: So there's a few things here that such groups are selling themselves on already if you look at the market for sex dolls:

Price
Availability
Ability to do what you want with them
Customized look

It's true that giving such robots personality is a long way off, but the general field is certainly growing, now with VR sex already being commercially available, and the first prototype sex dolls being tested. One concern is whether making the robots too "human" might freak people out, but researchers are working on that too. I think by 2040ish, this will undoubtedly be a real moral dilemma, so it's worth thinking about.
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By Crow | Jul 29 2016 4:25 PM
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If you agree there can be indirect victims to crimes then I'd question what crimes are actually victimless.


Let's be clear, this statement is a strawman.

There are no indirect victims if the actual victim comes about in a second crime. The argument I hear, is that someone having sex with a robot doll might be influenced to rape or something, which is another crime in itself. The original crime remains victimless.
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