the sex industry has ruined everyone is my guess

The nature of the convo is of an adult nature, and anyone's dad who leaves them books about sex, rather than encouraging them to learn mutually about sex with a female they genuinely like as a person is effing them up.

I would contest that literature was a bad influence. Most other fathers leave their son porn magazines.

Is my position really that abnormal though? That a sexual relationship should involve active and equal participation?

Crow: you are wrong - go read the entire post - I said relaxed sex is better for females, because we can engage our internal muscles when we are relaxed, which causes more blood flow. I never implied to being "dead" during the process, or him doing all the work. As a matter of fact, there are ways for both persons to be relaxed and get satisfaction.

My generalizations are based on my anatomy and what physically feels good. I'm guessing other females would find similar things to be appealing since we share the same general anatomy.

admin: no problem. I'm sorry I ever posted the topic. Your robot prostitution OP got me in a chat with another member where I revealed some of my dilemma. So I made an OP because I wanted to see if anyone else was as closed minded when it comes to a female expecting pleasure in what is natural to us.

JoMomma: I said relaxed sex is better for females, because we can engage our internal muscles when we are relaxed,

Okay, but some women prefer rougher sex. Actually not even rougher per say, but with greater participation.

The female orgasm either comes about through heavily production of estrogen and other sex hormones, or through forced stimulation of the clitorris.

All sexual beings have a variety of tastes. You may like missionary style for example, but some other woman might be more aroused by reverse missionary. You may not know your sexual fetishes yet, but other women may already have figured most of them out.

The orgasm via high arousal, can be produced through different positions and fetishes. Every women has a different primal subconscious that determines what they find preferable.

My generalizations are based on my anatomy and what physically feels good. I'm guessing other females would find similar things to be appealing since we share the same general anatomy.

Well there it is.

The basis of your generalizations is guesswork.

Every sexual being has their own code for sexual arousal, and most of it is primal and subconscious (since heavy stimulation limits the primary conscious)

I don't need to guess that this is a narrow minded conclusion, because you admitted the only evidence for it is your own personal experience. Go out into the porn and sex communities. It will broaden your horizons about how sexually diverse both men and women are.

So I made an OP because I wanted to see if anyone else was as closed minded when it comes to a female expecting pleasure in what is natural to us.

I am under the impression that you just want others to agree with you.

Crow: I am under the same impression concerning you.

Crow: Stay in your world of sexual fantasy. I will abstain rather than be lead into a realm that leads to an unhealthy fixation with one's genitals. You think that a "master" doesn't control you? You are the one in bondage to what has been fed to you by an industry that profits greatly.

JoMomma: Oh cool. A legitimate argument.





This is probably hitting too close to home or something. Honestly I was just trying to best represent my position, so you can't take it personally.

Nah, the sex industry hasn't ruined people.

Bi0Hazard: Any supporting logic or evidence you want to add to this?

admin: Surprised you are being so passive in this thread.

Bi0Hazard: It has helped people in a lot of cases

If there were no outlet for masturbation, then a lot of men would still be in that wretched never ending game of sucking up to women.

A lot of women are vocal against porn, because they feel threatened by it. A wife used to be able to threaten taking away sex, and now that has no power because the guy can just jerk one off and have five times the pleasure.

Crow: This goes the same for women nowadays.

Now you have your independent woman who masturbates to porn, so they know how to please themselves, and are not sexually vulnerable or naive. It has stopped guys from taking advantage of them.

Crow: There's not a lot for me to add, since I don't really know or care about the subject. It's a way for some people to waste time AFAIK.

admin: It's a way for some people to waste time AFAIK.

Fair enough.

I think the argument here is that pornography teaches men the wrong way to have sex with women, and just recently it seems to have turned around into an argument about how pornography makes people slaves to an industry that profits off sexual desire.

Crow: Both could be true. Industries generally profit off people wasting time. If that's destructive in some fashion (ie smoking) it's not like the industry cares.

admin: I have a slight reproach towards describing things as "The Industry." It always makes it out to be a singular entity, in a comically villainous sort of way.

Pornography gave rise to hundreds of small websites and filming companies, and they all have their own visions and niches. A lot are not even for profit.

While pornography is a huge industry, there are literally thousands of niches that there is a demand for,. It isn't competitive or hard to get into, but it isn't something a lot of people are going to get rich doing either. Also most porn is free, so most revenue comes from licensing films and advertising sex companies

Porn really only becomes a problem when it turns into an addiction. Besides that, it provides a service that a lot of people can use for fun or practical purposes. Since a service is being provided, I do not really mind

Crow: Sure, some people grow their own tobacco and roll their own cigarettes too. Industry should not be taken to imply anything singular.

Admittedly, I could of made that shorter.

The industry doesn't need to care about who its selling too, nor do the buyers need to care about the industry.

It is mostly an educated consumer kind of deal.

admin: Not sure if that example applies.

An industry is a set of individual businesses that come together in the production of goods for money.