EDEB8 - Ultimate Online Debating
About Us   Debate    Judge   Forum

the sex industry has ruined everyone is my guess

< Return to subforum
Page: 12345Most Recent
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 2:11 AM
Crow: You can't or won't read - you picked apart my comment and only responded to what you wanted to and left out my explanations of the points you decided to quote. If you wanna justify in your own mind the way you view healthy sexual relations, that is your choice. But I know what kind of sex pleasures me and I won't settle for wasting energy on performances that do nothing for me. If other women can fool themselves into thinking they are satisfied, that is their choice.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 2:13 AM
JoMomma: Okay. I respect your choice to not continue this discussion.
The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 2:17 AM
Crow: here is what I am understanding...

Pleasure for a male is only wanting to do the "work" if the female is in such an awkward position that he can view penetration. Then he can sit there and pump away all day to the point that the female loses lube - at HER displeasure. Unless of course she wants to jump on top and do the work to gratify herself. I never said he couldn't get an erection, I said he didn't stay fully erect in a position where his body was in close enough proximity with hers for HER to gain enough friction to stimulate external genitalia - get it straight.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 2:37 AM
JoMomma: Pleasure for a male is only wanting to do the "work" if the female is in such an awkward position that he can view penetration.

Okay, once again I will caution against generalizing sexual preferences.

Some women do not view more advanced positions as awkward, nor is viewing penetration the only motivation for changing positions.

If you do not like certain positions, then that is specific to you. It can and should not be generalized towards all women.

Unless of course she wants to jump on top and do the work to gratify herself.

But what you are proposing is a basic position like missionary, where men do almost all the work solely for your pleasure.

So basically you are complaining that you are not being entitled in sexual relationships.

I never said he couldn't get an erection, I said he didn't stay fully erect in a position where his body was in close enough proximity with hers for HER to gain enough friction to stimulate external genitalia - get it straight.

Okay, so I wasn't aware we were talking about a specific person in this thread, but apparently we are.

That is specific to this individual man. A lot of guys have no trouble getting fully erect in any position. Older men tend to have trouble maintaining full erections for long periods of time.

Men also have varying sizes and girths of erections. Every cock is different.

If a guy that you are sleeping with is having trouble getting erect, then you should find out what turns him on. It can be helpful to politely ask him what his fetishes are, and if you are comfortable with them, then you can try to accommodate them in the sex.



The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 2:52 AM
Crow: you are really irking me - and I would prefer to cuss you out if it wasn't against TOS! My man can get rock hard - when he has his way with positions - he doesn't stay fully erect when we switch to positions I like.

You generalized," Here is what I am understanding...

Love is having the male do all the work during sex? Even at his displeasure?

I don't call that love. I call that exploiting someone for their cock. Worse off, there are much better ways to exploit a cock than just getting pumped lifelessly.

Did you not?

If my idea of pleasure is exploiting someone for there cock than your idea of pleasure is exploiting someone for their pussy. The difference is the desires that men have accepted as natural- have been fed to them through an industry who MAKES$$ from their twisted desires. The desire that I have is based on the experiences of having penetration in a position with his body is in close proximity to my body which feels good versus having penetration in a position where he can view his own penetration - which is kinda like getting a pelvic exam for too long of a period of time.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 3:14 AM
JoMomma: you are really irking me - and I would prefer to cuss you out if it wasn't against TOS!

I apologize if I am irritating you. I can be outspoken, and point out things I observe rather bluntly.

It might level you out if you watched some porn....

Did you not?


No.

Feeling entitled to do 0% of the work during sex is 100% exploitation.

If my idea of pleasure is exploiting someone for there cock than your idea of pleasure is exploiting someone for their pussy

Not really.

I understand that sex is a two person activity.

If the other party is going to lay there like a sack of meat, then why even bother? That's my humble opinion anyways.

have been fed to them through an industry who MAKES$$ from their twisted desires.

I just call them desires.

It helps me relieve stress. I have some pretty screwed up fetishes, so it helps me keep those in check.

Also pornography can be a lot of fun sometimes. It is becoming more community oriented with homemade videos by regular people. Most of them are good people too.

I feel pornography is being demonized or scapegoated to provide a false answer to an invented problem. In relation to this OP.

The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 3:22 AM
Crow: I never said do nothing - I said move from the inside which we are capable of
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 3:24 AM
Crow: Its obvious that you think a female's perspective means nothing. You don't care to respond to any of my points.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 3:28 AM
JoMomma: That is because there is no general female perspective.

On the other hand, there is actual sex theory and philosophy. My father used to leave dozens of these books lying around when I was younger, so I learned quite a bit.

The main issue you keep ignoring is that loving sex is not having a man do 100% of the work, even when it is displeasurable to him.
The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 3:35 AM
This thread is about the sex industry, and primarily pornography. That is not being discussed at all, so let's get back on track.

Pornography is an outlet for stimulating behavior similar to sex. Therefore it can feed into a sex addiction, which is harmful.

At the same time, like anything, there are people who can use pornography responcible. When it is not stigmatized, pornography can be a lot of fun. It is there for those that just want to relax and masturabate, for those that want to just quickly jack off or rub one out, and there is even a social end to it.

There are forums where people discuss porn. There are couples who make porn videos together and share them on porn communities. There are even the porn elitists who like to critique and review porn.

I do not understand the demonization, or how it connects back to any arguments made in the OP.
The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 4:00 AM
Crow: You aren't getting it - whatever books you dad left fucked you from learning about what we like. I never said the guy should do 100% of the work - I said relaxed sex - meaning therapeutic. Starting at a mutually pleasurable position for penetration, and moving together is ideal for both partners. Besides you never addressed that guys have no problem doing all the work when they can view penetration. As a matter of fact - they find it annoying if we try to move with them when they are viewing themselves.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 4:08 AM
Crow: This OP that I MADE is about the sex industry and how it ruins people from experiencing the kind of intimacy that is natural and more pleasurable than whatever they get from numbing or over stimulating themselves thru porn.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 4:09 AM
JoMomma: You aren't getting it - whatever books you dad left fucked you from learning about what we like.

Not all women like the same thing out of sex.

You are speaking for all women, when I know for a fact that women are incredibly varied in sexual preference.

Starting at a mutually pleasurable position for penetration, and moving together is ideal for both partners.

Okay. Fair enough.

But you did say "lazy sex" was "loving sex" earlier.

Besides you never addressed that guys have no problem doing all the work when they can view penetration.

Generalizing men.

I personally do not care about viewing penetration. No offense, but vaginas are not exactly the epitome of visual beauty.

As a matter of fact - they find it annoying if we try to move with them when they are viewing themselves.

How many men have you slept with and of what demographics?

There is no way you should be this confident generalizing men.
Thumbs up from:
The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 4:14 AM
JoMomma: how it ruins people from experiencing the kind of intimacy that is natural and more pleasurable

What are you talking about?

First off, I watch intimate porn. Not 5 minute quickie videos.

My orgasms can last 5 minutes, cause bodily shaking, and forced noise. Sometimes they even happen twice in a row.

Someone who knows their own tastes can always pleasure themselves better through masturbation than through actual sex. Masturabtation fits the fantasy and ignores the reality.

The argument here is BS.




Thumbs up from:
The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
admin
By admin | Jul 31 2016 4:45 AM
JoMomma: Watch language.
I'm the main developer for the site. If you have any problems, ideas, questions or concerns please send me a message.
Let's revive the forums!
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 4:48 AM
Crow: But you did say "lazy sex" was "loving sex" earlier.
no I didn't - I said relaxed sex was loving sex. I put quotations around the word "lazy" in the beginning of that post because you are the one who assumed that females who don't wanna "perform" are lazy. I knew you were glazing over my posts and reading what you wanna read into them.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 4:50 AM
Crow: I personally do not care about viewing penetration. No offense, but vaginas are not exactly the epitome of visual beauty.

Then what do you enjoy about porn - just curious?
How many men have you slept with and of what demographics?

There is no way you should be this confident generalizing men.

so now the implication is that I am a slut? go figure
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 31 2016 4:57 AM
admin: I said the eff word whoopdee do. The nature of the convo is of an adult nature, and anyone's dad who leaves them books about sex, rather than encouraging them to learn mutually about sex with a female they genuinely like as a person is effing them up. Parents should be encouraging their kids to find someone they can laugh with, and then let NATURE take its course. This way both the male and female would have mutual satisfaction. Your entire generation has been poisoned by the sex industry in my opinion. Excuse me for thinking I could at least represent my own genders needs being overlooked because of the marketing of sex, and what is depicted by actors and actresses, rather than the experiences of two people who like each other.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 4:57 AM
JoMomma: no I didn't - I said relaxed sex was loving sex. I put quotations around the word "lazy" in the beginning of that post because you are the one who assumed that females who don't wanna "perform" are lazy

To be fair, you did kind of change your position.

You originally said women should not have to perform for men, as you made a post complaining about how men do not perform for women. Now you are saying that both parties should put work in with sex. That came two posts ago.

Then what do you enjoy about porn - just curious?

The orgasms. They are outstanding.

Also it helps me alleviate stress and handle my tourettes syndrome.

Sometimes it can just be entertaining too. I especially like the classic style of pornography where it is almost like a low budget movie.

so now the implication is that I am a slut? go figure

No one called you a slut. Don't go there.

My point is that you would have to of had slept with a lot of men from diverse demographics, to be able to make broad generalizations about what men are attracted too. Correct me if I am wrong, but most of your generalizations about what women like are based on what you like?

The ADB committee just changed its policy on 8/28/2016
No communication with admin. Ever.
admin
By admin | Jul 31 2016 5:04 AM
JoMomma: As I had to say to Stag this morning, don't argue with the referee.

This is not an adult site. I'm not legally allowed to have profanity on it. I'd much rather ban somebody who cannot stop themselves using profanity than have the site shut down. Edeb8 has been closed twice now because members were going overboard so I NEED to be harsh. Edeb8 exists because I assure my host that my members will behave themselves and keep any discussion, even on topics that may be charged, very safe. Nor can I have adult content for that matter, but a strictly academic discussion of this could probably be excused.

Your point may very well be true but just be careful about it, kay?
I'm the main developer for the site. If you have any problems, ideas, questions or concerns please send me a message.
Let's revive the forums!
Page: 12345Most Recent