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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 5:53 PM
Crow: There is an unfair expectation on guys to do most of the work during sex.
It's not unfair, it's reasonable. Women are the weaker and more submissive gender. Men are the more aggressive and active gender, so they should take the lead in the relationship. And that applies to all areas of life, as well.
Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:02 PM
JoMomma: We shouldn't have to "perform" to excite a male to gain control over the kinds of positions that feel natural to us. It is self defeating to need to perform, and a turn off!
Well, if your talking about porn, yes, completely agree. In the marriage context, the wife should try to please her husband, and the husband, likewise, should try to please his wife. Honestly, I believe porn should be illegal, along with other forms of prostitution.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 6:07 PM
Krazy: It's not unfair, it's reasonable. Women are the weaker and more submissive gender. Men are the more aggressive and active gender, so they should take the lead in the relationship. And that applies to all areas of life, as well.

This is a cave man mindset.

Sex isn't just about raw force. Women who just lie back and do not participate are a real turn off for men.

Also there is such a thing as a dominant female and submissive male, and even occasionally conflicting dominants. I am sexually aroused by both the dominant and submissive types of the opposite gender.

You need to expand your horizons past this old englishmen mindset you have.

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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:41 PM
Crow: This is a cave man mindset.
If by that, you mean "old", then sure. If you mean "stupid and violent", then that's incorrect.

Sex isn't just about raw force. Women who just lie back and do not participate are a real turn off for men.
I'm not sure how you would know that, but okay.

Also there is such a thing as a dominant female and submissive male, and even occasionally conflicting dominants
But that's not the expectation, as you previously acknowledged.

I am sexually aroused by both the dominant and submissive types of the opposite gender.
I didn't need to know that.

You need to expand your horizons past this old englishmen mindset you have.
I'm find being stuck in the past. This modern stuff is crazy.
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By admin | Jul 30 2016 6:43 PM
Crow: You kinda have a problem with personal attacks. I've said this before quite a lot. Just watch it.
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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:46 PM
Krazy: I'm find being stuck...
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Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 6:46 PM
admin: I doubt krazy denies he has an old englishmen mindset.

Also you need to change your definition of a personal attack. Edeb8 is the most ridiculously strict site I have been a member of.
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Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 6:48 PM
Krazy: But that's not the expectation, as you previously acknowledged.

All I said was that "love sex" should not be the expectation.

I didn't need to know that.

Its meant to point out that this myth of yours that sex is black and white, and the male pounds into the female for 5 minutes in missionary style, is not steeped in reality.

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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:49 PM
Crow: Also you need to change your definition of a personal attack
You said I had a "cave man mindset", which is essentially calling me a cave man.

Edeb8 is the most ridiculously strict site I have been a member of.
It's not that strict. You just break the rules a lot.
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By admin | Jul 30 2016 6:50 PM
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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:58 PM
Crow: All I said was that "love sex" should not be the expectation
Here's what you said.
"There is an unfair expectation on guys to do most of the work during sex"

Its meant to point out that this myth of yours that sex is black and white, and the male pounds into the female for 5 minutes in missionary style, is not steeped in reality
I never said anything like that. All I said was that men tend to be the leader in the relationship, which is true. Women tend to take a more submissive role in the relationship.
Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 6:59 PM
admin: Didn't mean to thumbs up your post. Sorry, I tend to do that by accident.
Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 7:09 PM
Krazy: Here's what you said.
"There is an unfair expectation on guys to do most of the work during sex"


Oh, that.

There is a long seated expectation that women should just lie down and do nothing while the man pumps her.

For me, this is very close minded. Men who subscribe to this are just subscribing themselves to a boring and unpleasurable relationship.

All I said was that men tend to be the leader in the relationship, which is true. Women tend to take a more submissive role in the relationship.

That's true for the sexual relationship, but there is actual acting towards the role of submissive. There can also be active participation in the actual movement of bodies, a lot of cases putting more work on the female.

The lazy mindset is a turn off for me. It kind of promotes this old 50's image of entitlement, where the Male is the provider, and the woman is entitled to have part of his money to go shopping.
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Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 7:12 PM
One other thing. I don't know if I brought this up in these exact terms.

The OP demands that men perform for women, but absolves women from having to perform for men.

I find that to be a hypocritical stance, and somewhat sexist.

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Krazy
By Krazy | Jul 30 2016 7:42 PM
Crow: The OP demands that men perform for women, but absolves women from having to perform for men.
What do you mean? And what's OP?
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 30 2016 7:45 PM
Crow: go

Because men service themselves while watching porn that depicts penetration


There is a misconception that only men watch porn.

From my experience, the more active members in pornographic communities tend to be women.

I see lots of couples and older single women making homemade stuff. The porn model is shifting towards regular people rather than porn companies.

]... in positions that DO NOTHING for females


Let's be clear.

Other sex positions besides missionary style existed long before porn.

We shouldn't have to "perform" to excite a male to gain control over the kinds of positions that feel natural to us.


I highly disagree with this.

There is an unfair expectation on guys to do most of the work during sex.

Eventually sexual relationships become boring, due to a lot of women having a conditioned mindset that sex should be lazy.

When they get with a female - even a female that they LOVE and one who excites them, they cannot maintain complete "rock" in the positions that give her the kind of stimulation that she desires.


You cannot generalize the sexual preferences for all women.

Women are just as diverse in their sexual preferences and fetishes then men.

I never implied there aren't women who claim to enjoy porn, but my guess would be that they do, because they have given up on ever getting the real thing!

There are many positions that could lead to an "natural" not forced orgasm in females - none of them involve a position where the penetration could be viewed however.

If I wanted to perform during sex I'd become a prostitute or a porn star. I don't wanna perform I want to be loved. Any guy who can't maintain an erection with a live, willing attractive female, has ruined himself. I may be 46 but I have the body of a 22 year old, and the face of a 35 year old.
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"Lazy" sex is more pleasurable - getting "done up" by a completely erect penis while we are completely relaxed allows us to use our internal muscles to bear down (and up) on the penetration and increase the blood flow to the external genitalia. It produces an orgasm that if far superior to a forced clitoral orgasm that only happens from oral or sex toy. Relaxed sex isn't lazy, it is loving, and keeps our waists and midsection tone and fit.

Nor can you generalize the sexual preferences of all men.
JoMomma
By JoMomma | Jul 30 2016 7:52 PM
Krazy: see my response to Stag - its' quite "revealing."
Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 8:03 PM
JoMomma: I never implied there aren't women who claim to enjoy porn, but my guess would be that they do, because they have given up on ever getting the real thing!


Universally false.

Never heard of anyone who watches porn, and doesn't want sex in real life. Those who you say "give up," are actually just indulging a very realistic fantasy of having better sex.

If I wanted to perform during sex I'd become a prostitute or a porn star. I don't wanna perform I want to be loved. Any guy who can't maintain an erection with a live, willing attractive female, has ruined himself.



That is honestly nonsense.

In a healthy sexual relationship, both sides actively please the other.

The problem brought up in the OP is largely a scapegoat. Just because a man cannot get an erection for one woman, does not mean he wont get an erection for another. Even the same woman when there is active participation.

"Lazy" sex is more pleasurable

Based on what?

Most women in my experience consider that kind of sex to be quite boring.

And I know for a personal fact that "lazy" sex is quite close minded. Every single person has multiple unexplainable fetishes related to sex, and this is without exception. A lot of people never recognize what their fetishes are.

Active and non-lazy sex can produce multiple pleasurable orgasms for both sides.

Relaxed sex isn't lazy, it is loving, and keeps our waists and midsection tone and fit.


Doesn't sound very loving towards the other party.

It is the equivalent of woman on top, where the male just sits there and the woman does all the work.

Loving sex happens when both parties try to actively please each other.

Most men in their middle ages cannot even have orgasms during sex, because it becomes routine and boring. They just ejaculate.

Nor can you generalize the sexual preferences of all men.



Never did and never will.

Sexual preference is more varied than anything I could ever possibly imagine.
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Crow
By Crow | Jul 30 2016 8:08 PM
Here is what I am understanding...

Love is having the male do all the work during sex? Even at his displeasure?

I don't call that love. I call that exploiting someone for their cock. Worse off, there are much better ways to exploit a cock than just getting pumped lifelessly.
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Crow
By Crow | Jul 31 2016 1:10 AM
Krazy: Original poster, but it is often used in the context of being the original post or opening opinion.
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